From Developer to Designer
Recently I’ve been following the comments for a David Airey Blogging Transparency post. I noticed that many commentors had sidenotes relating to David’s blog no longer using gravatars in the comments. I just have a couple things on my mind relating to the use of gravatars in blog comments.
What is a Gravatar?
A gravatar is a globally recognized avatar. Quite simple it is an 80×80 image associated with an e-mail address. It’s primarily used in blog comments to associate the commenter with a picture of him/herself whenever they comment. For example when I write a comment that uses gravatars, my jeremyadamdavis@gmail.com e-mail address has this gravatar associated with it.
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Nothing fancy and since I’m usually the one behind the camera its about the only one I could find quickly that wasn’t posed.
So thats about it. When I post a comment and if the blog uses gravatars this image is shown next to my comments. If you want one your own, do so at the Gravatar main site.
So what’s not to like about Gravatars?
I believe that the idea of the gravatar is very easy to like, but there are also some good points about not using them.
A few people mentioned this point. Personally, I have never felt “distracted” by them, but to each his own. I know David mentioned that one reason he removed them is so that his responses to comments can be more easily found since he is the only commenter that has an image next to his comments. I like that idea, but the same effect could be gained by having a different comment background color for the blog author’s responses.
This too seems like a valid point. David mentioned that articles with 30 or more comments really seemed to take a hit from the gravatars. I know FreelanceSwitch uses gravatars and I haven’t felt much of a delay on some of their 100+ comments posts, but I am on a much wider bandwidth than most.
Basically, your appearance might make people value your comment less. Maybe you read a well-written comment that mentions tips about how to save money or balancing your budget and the commenter’s gravatar depicts a disheveled 14 year-old kid. I don’t know about you but I’m far less-inclined to take financial advise from someone whose biggest bill is a movie ticket and the occasional milk shake splurge.
Why you should be using Gravatars
Although there are those negative reasons to use gravatars, I am still keen on the idea and think that they should be used. Here’s a few reasons why.
Ironically the post that made me consider the benefits of having a gravatar was this Avatar Branding post by … David Airey. This is something that I believe will be taken more seriously as blogging is transferring from a hobby to a business tool. I’ve been reading/listening/watching plenty of Darren Rowse material lately, and he often mentions the leveraging of blogging as a brand.
By having a standard image associated with all your online activity people can more easily track you. That being said, people can more easily track you. So be careful what you say or do. I know that personally I try to make sure that my web presence is always something that I won’t regret later. I don’t want a future client/employeer to do a Google search on my name and find some off-color comment that could hurt my chances of working with them.
I could digress more about branding, but basically as people see your gravatar throughout the blogs, your brand will increase. I know I can think of a couple people’s gravatars off the top of my head and they have a greater mindshare to me than someone without a gravatar.
Seeing a picture of the commentor adds a little bit of humanity to our text-based blogging environment. I typically don’t read commentor’s names so when I see a picture of a middle-aged female next to a comment I can associate a gender and get a better perspective about the comment. If your blog consists of multiple people or is based on a theme instead of personal such as PutThingsOff, then use the blog’s logo. Again going back to the branding aspect.
In this socially networked age, people are giving out more personal information than ever before. Ten years ago the idea of gravatars wouldn’t have worked. People were afraid that if their name or picture was put out on that Internet thing that their soul would also be considered forfeit. A blog with gravatars has a more comfortable, laid-back feel to it than one without.
Final Comments
I feel like much more could be said about the pros and cons of gravatars, but I don’t know how much more you could take having me drone on about an 80 pixel square image.
Can gravatars work for you?
Whether you are considering this question as someone debating about adding them to your own blog or someone who doesn’t have a gravatar yet, I believe the simple and right answer is it that it all depends. I personally believe that most of the negatives mentioned could be solved through better design and having more thought put into it. But I wouldn’t dare to make a blanket statement that “Thou Shalt Use Gravatars”. All that I ask is to consider it. Try to find a better way to use them. Weigh your own pros/cons about the situation and decide.
I’m sure there are many more positives and negatives about this that I’ve missed, so I’d love to hear your thoughts about the use of gravatars.
A young man's strange, not so erotic journey from developer to designer. Jeremy Adam Davis is starting to spread his wings to start becoming a freelance web designer. Look here to find updates as my freelance web design evolves, along with articles about SEO, making passive income, and web design best pracices
David Airey
February 22nd, 2008 at 4:16 am
Hi Jeremy,
You certainly make some good points in favour of using Gravatars, and as you well know from my previous article on their positive side, I have mixed feelings (positive and negative).
I’ve thought about FreelanceSwitch too, and there’s definitely a better design implemented there for showing gravatars. The main issue on my blog was that each gravatar pushed the respective comment further down the page by about 50 pixels, so as each gravatar loaded, one after the other and from top to bottom, the comment form at the foot of the post would continually be pushed away from the reader. I found this a frustration when wanting to leave a quick comment, yet had to wait for all images to download before I could.
I realise you can respond to comments from within the WP admin, but I was thinking about the readers who also wanted to leave a quick comment.
My case can be a little different from others, because my website acts as a promotion of my own brand, to potential design clients, so showing other brands dilutes my own. However, I can see how this is a selfish approach, because I’d not be where I am without the excellent comments left by my loyal readers. I owe them my gratitude, which is one reason why I employ the ‘CommentLuv’ plugin, to display your latest blog post title after your comment.
One final note about gravatars, although thankfully I’ve not seen this issue on my blog - you don’t have control over what images people show. Therefore, someone could leave a comment with a decent image, then later change it to something you’d rather not see. Perhaps I’m being overly concerned with that one.
A timely topic, Jeremy. Thanks.
Nick | PTO
February 22nd, 2008 at 4:19 am
Interesting post, Jeremy! Thanks for the mention.
I really like Gravatars — it makes comments much more human and readable. I’ve always felt that attaching your image to your comments removes some of the anonymity offered by the web, and gives credit and weight to your comment.
Do you think I should be using the PTO logo instead of my image for my Gravatar, then?
Jeremy
February 22nd, 2008 at 2:28 pm
@David - I think most of your gravatar concerns can be fixed with a design solution. Perhaps use scaled down gravatars for your commenters like this theme does, but have your replies show your larger, branded gravatar like your site does now. It lets your blog benefit from gravatars, but makes comments shorter, keeps the focus on your brand and makes your replies easy to find. Win Win Win.
Also maybe let people comment from the top of comments instead of the bottom. I’ve never seen it done, but who says that it can’t work.
About controlling gravatar images. I know Gravatar implements a rating system, similar to how movies are rated. You can choose to only show G-rated gravatars. Now what’s stopping someone from putting a X-rated gravatar and saying its G-rated, I’m not sure. But you don’t have control over what people say in your comments either, you can just delete it if its inappropriate.
@Nick - I believe PTO’s gravatar is really up to how want PTO to be associated with yourself. Personally, I would use PTO’s logo as your gravatar for a few reasons.
First, you appear to be trying to brand PTO whenever you post because you comment as “Nick | PTO”.
Second, PTO is a focused blog. Its purpose is productivity. You want to set yourself up as a prime resource for productivity-related things. Getting PTO’s logo to become more noticeable can help with that.
Third, PTO has a very distinctive feel to it. The cartoonish graphics are easily recognizable. If I were to see a gravatar of a wide-eyed cat playing with yarn, I could immediately associate that with PTO.
Again, its really on how you want people to perceive you and PTO. Do you want people to associate Nick with PTO? Or do you want people to associate PTO with Nick? Answer that question and that should determine which gravatar to use.
BTW, I was going to set up Inbox Heaven, but was going to have to pay Yahoo $20 to get POP access just so I can not use Yahoo anymore. So I guess I’ll put off heaven until it becomes to much to manage the way I do it now.
Nick | PTO
February 22nd, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Thanks for your thoughts, Jeremy. I have some other sites launching this year, so I don’t want to associate myself purely with PTO. Sxipper autofills “Nick | PTO” in the name field after I used it the first time — to be honest I hadn’t given it as much thought as it probably deserves!
Re: migration from Yahoo to Gmail. Check out IzyMail — if I understand it correctly, it should help you forward Yahoo mail without needing to upgrade: http://v3.izymail.com/gmailconfig.aspx
RMK
April 24th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Few reasons why I don’t (and probably won’t use gravatars):
- You design a blog/site with a color scheme. Sometimes other people’s color choices just dont fit to your layout - you mentionned the distracting factor, I’ll say more : it could easily be damn ugly, and more than distracting. If you want to do a nice use of this colored squares, you’re layout should really be minimal (think flickr etc.).
I don’t want my site/blog, that I use as a professional platform - not only for blogging - to be a kind of add space for other people, and I don’t want it to look like a forum/bbs/myspace thingie.
- The name. Maybe it sounds cool in english, but for other languages (let’s say french - well, that’s where I’m born - , spanish, japanese - that’s where I live) it just sounds like you’re trying to insult someone (yes I’m exagerating a bit for dramatic purpose, but you get the idea).
RMK
April 24th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
How ironic, I have a gravatar attached to this email adress
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Jeremy
April 24th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
@RMK - I’m totally with you on that professional platform angle. I have the same feeling about the mybloglog sidebar widget thing also. Just too much clutter and really draws away from the theme.
Ever since writing this post I’ve been more observant of other blogger’s gravatar use and when I get around to doing my own custom theme for this site I will make the gravatars very small, like how this theme does it. I see the sites with the full 80×80 size and it’s just too big and distracting.
Thanks for the comment and LOL about your unintended gravatar use.
Adam
April 28th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
I signed up for a gravatar account some time ago, but only recently has it become clear how TERRIBLE an idea that was.
These days I try not to leave comments on gravatar-enabled blogs (excluding this post, because it’s directly relevant) and I encourage others do the same.
The reason is that Gravatar has one of the most egregious, exploitative and abusive approaches to personal information privacy I have ever encountered. I am a senior internet and privacy lawyer for a Fortune 100 company.
Commenting on a gravatar-enabled site ensures that your e-mail address and activity is transmitted to Gravatar. However, Gravatar does not publish a privacy policy, they do not delete accounts and they do not respond to inquiries relating to personal information.
The only reason they can get away with this is because they do not present any information about themselves on their site so it is very difficult for the average user to understand exactly what they are getting into. There is no operator listed on their site, but the domain is listed as owned by GoDaddy.com, which is a Arizona corporation.
Gravatar’s activities are clearly in violation of the European Union Directive on Data Protection, but GoDaddy.com, Inc. (if they are the operator of Gravatar) are located in Arizona and US privacy laws are not as developed as those in many other parts of the world.
I don’t believe any blogger should add gravatar to their blog, nor should any user sign up to a gravatar account. It is an extremely, extremely serious risk to the protection of your personal information online.
Jeremy
April 28th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
@Adam - Thanks for info. When I wrote the post I was thinking about how it relates to design and blog communities, not the security aspect. Your information will definitely lead me to do some heavy research into it before incorporating gravatars into this blog’s custom theme.
Johan
June 14th, 2008 at 8:31 am
Hey there…
Just stumbled on at the Gravatar.com, and created one… (No image uploaded yet)
So thanks for a nice blog entry.
On my own blog (not released yet, sorry) everybody can create a profile, and add a avatar to that.
If it ain’t filled out, it’ll check for the Gravatar, and else It’ll show a “noav.png”.
Guests have no choice… :p (It’ll show the Gravatar if it exists else the noav.png)
- Johan
Kim Sawyer
July 17th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
This is very interesting. My husband and I just started a blog and my husband is an advocate of gravatars. I opposed using them for a while. And I still will not use a picture of myself, I use a logo from our site. But based on what Adam said, I may have to rethink that too because personal security is very important to me.